Putting Complexity Thinking to the Test of this Pandemic with Zafer Achi
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Berlin, Germany

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Hi Everyone from New Jersey

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Good morning from Montreal (it’s snowing!)

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Hi from DC

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Joanna barsh here, calling in at 8am from sunny (and hot) Tucson!

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hello from East Lansing, Michigan in the US

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Hello from Taiwan

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Greetings from Annapolis, MD

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Klaus from Hamburg

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Good morning from Columbia, Maryland

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Denver Colorado USA

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Copenhagen Denmark

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Hi Chris Showalter from HK. It is 11 pm

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Hello from Hamburg, Germany.

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Hello from Zurich Switzerland!

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Hi Amy, regards from Thomas Allgäuer, Switzerland

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Aarhus, Denmark

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hello from Lier, Belgium

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Good afternoon from London, 4pm and sunny and warm

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London calling

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Singapore!

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Greetings from Storrs, CT.

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Good evening from Barcelona, Spain!

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Good morning from Chapel Hill - gorgeous spring morning here.

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Very sunny in Rio de Janeiro…Too bad I can’t go out.

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Hi - calling in from London - 4pm here

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bk

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Newton, MA - 11 am

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Hi from sunny Frankfurt, it is here 5pm

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Miami, Florida

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Hello from West Somerset, in sunny England, where it's almost tea time

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Hello from Santa Cruz, California. It’s 8am.

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berkeley, ca

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Hello from Argentina! - 12:00 PM

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Good morning from Los Angeles--8 a.m.

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Hi everyone - from Zurich 5pm!

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From a very sunny Berlin, its 5pm

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helo from Poland

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Thank you for inviting. Greetings from Dubai at 7 pm! Nicolai

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hello from York, Maine at 11 am

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From Bloomington IN USA 11Am

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Good morning - Betsy M from DC 11am! Will need to sign off a little early for another meeting but so happy to be here.

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Good morning from Austin, Texas where we are getting ready for a major storm front

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David and Donna from Sarasota, Florida.

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It's 5 PM in Denmark right now - and sunny spring

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Greetings all from North Leverett Massachusetts—where a few last snowflakes are falling!

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Greetings from Florida.

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Hello from NYC. Unfortunately, I can only stay for a while

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Hello from Munich

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This time and challn

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Learning about your work Zafer!

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Exploring the link between complexity and creativity

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hearing you share your ideas...sharing our ideas in groups

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Learning from you Zafer

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Complexity … creativity … community

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A chance to see you again

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Curiosity!

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@zafer I went through the Lebanese war as well. Interesting to see how you coped.

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No perspectives for the foreseable futures

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gaining inspiration and energy!

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I feel drawn by community, by camaraderie, by the hope for working together to make a new way, a new world…

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I believe very much that we Need competencies to be with uncertainty and clomplexity in These days and I want to learn About it as much as possible

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meeting the moebius community

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Your article Delighting in the possible - followed by a recommendation from my coach.

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I’ve been fascinated for awhile with the cultivating leadership and complexity work

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My good friend boris recommended it to me - and I have often used / explored, touched on the ideas of complexity and chaos - with a wide range of different definitions

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Resourcing myself to support my clients ever more effectively for these weird times!

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a long-time metabolizing complexity … these themes

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Learning for my work with clients

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The power of adaptive learning to cope, and find capacity to respond well to chaos -- and support others

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looking forward to your ideas

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To get your perspective on how to use Adult Development with the current situation

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I conduct research on complex adaptive systems in innovation management

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creating more ease in my system to hold wider space for myself and others

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Will always take an opportunity to learn from you - beyond that, embracing complexity has been a source for me during this time and acknowledging the need for more of that understanding in the world

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Learning more about your take on complexity.

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I am curious to learn to NEW content about this COVID thing. Wondering what I can bring back to Zoom.

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language and mindset of complexity, how to shift

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help to make sense of our crisis through critical thinking

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Soo many clients asking about what they can do to bring more agility in the context of the perpetual complex word they are facing

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get a new perspective, learn, feel more, connect with the bigger self in these times of complexity and change

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pure curiosity to your thoughts on complexity handeling in crisis

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It seems to me that our time of COVID is a perfect time to be in a living laboratory of leading in complexity. Living in complexity. Maybe learning to thrive in it.

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Learning to make trade-off between wanting get diversity of thinking (which takes time) and need to make decisions short term.

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this time and challenge is a truly cross-system and complex one and I am looking forward to how to embrace the challenges across systems in ways that can make a positive impact both in the context of the crisis response but also as a way of working for the future

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I was compelled to hear the voice of the mentor and friend who first empowered me to begin to question how we live and move and work in the world.

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Complexity has felt playful in the past and while it’s present, I’m noticing there is more left to discover that may better ground me during this time.

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Doing a lot of work with the Polarities framework over the past few years and also with Adaptive Leadership. Looking forward to see how this complements and enriches these perspectives.

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curiosity

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My own work around myself as a complex being- moving from awareness to acceptance and then seeing how ALL are versions of complex systems. Working on how to apply -more effectively, within community

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To expand my perspective of the current state of the world and infer what my responsibility is in it

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love being with Mobius community even though its 11pm in shanghai now ❤️🌹

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Learning and having more consciousness or even framework and structure around things that I may be doing more through intuition

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I’ve met you, Zafer, and read your work, yet not had a chance to be in a session like this with you. That plus the universe is telling me it’s time to spend even more time with this community

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Have a passion for all things, integration

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Beautiful analogy :)

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To just stop and listen at a time when we may not always be stopping and listening

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To see your first community concert! And to be in community with others who think this work is important.

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Jennifer, thanks for stepping in there to close the loop on Zafer’s question to the group. Timely action!

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I’m familiar with the model - so great to hear your perspective

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If you are familiar with this version, you should have a look at the current 'liminal' version.

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Yes Vlad Stefan

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Recently, data came out from Germany and the Netherlands about safe social distancing while running. While the research was collected, it was not reviewed and the notes in the paper were that they felt releasing the information was more important and then they would go back to peer review it and get it formally published. What domains are present in this example?

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Probe-Sense-Respond? Complex

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I’m a little confused, whats the difference between states of “disorder” and “chaotic”

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do challenge exists in a domain of framework or do we use the map to make sense of any challenge

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I would like to explore “irrational” responses to what is knowable. In the US, this model depends on how we socially construct it

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for example, would a bushfire or covid not include elements of all?

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Nothing includes all elements. They are different ontologies!

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a different way to consider "disorder" is that we sense and explore what is happening before deciding how to respond, not that it is a place of confusion...move into a liminal place

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“misunderstanding” according to whom?

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Is this a model which reflects our current knowledge/ competence/ state fo science - or are some challenges in principle are in a specific domain?

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helpful, thank you

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I tend to think of “unconscious disorder” and “conscious disorder” The former is the state from which we just react according to the ways we are conditioned to react, the latter is intentional.

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Thank you fo rthe clarifitcation

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Discerning which of these systems you are encountering is itself a mental demand on our own capacity to handle complexity, is it not? Unless we rely on an expert to tell us where we are

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thanks Caroline!

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+1 with Amiel.

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good description @Carolyn

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Amiel, I think of it as a demand and also a support for our growing our capacity to handle complexity

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Jennifer, good point: both/and.

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How do these ideas shed light on your experience and your response to Covid 19?Quick sharing of storiesCome back with: 1 insight and 1 question

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our group discussed how we all try to find the rhythms and structure to put into our lives

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I wish I did not have to leave early, but go I must. Bless you all!

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Would love to see your questions and insights here!

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I would disagree

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To Mike

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is COVID best characterized as complex or chaotic? (we assume it can have elements of both)

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Amazing article on grief that I want to share with the community: That Discomfort You’re Feeling Is Griefhttps://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief

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Breakout 6: is the problem out there or in our head. Is it a matter of framing?

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we discussed chaos as facts and insights constantly change

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Is the difference between chaos and complexity in the world or in our framing? Historians operate from a complex place - seeking, with hindsight, to understand cause and affect. If you are a peasant caught in a revolution, it feels like chaos.

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Insight: lots of the actions happenig around the medical response, search for vaccines, health responses are in the complicated box

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Insight: Importance of working with frameworks like these. Question: how do we train ourselves best in our day to day lives

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we made some connections between the domains and some emotional intelligence domains that also offer benefits and drawbacks if the leader can use 'a toggle' to navigate around them

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Insight: Many leaders confuse complex and chaos and the actions you take in each state are different

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We have to mention the unforeseeable unintended consequences and manage constraints, catalysts and energy.

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We seem to move from our “home base” on the cynevin framework. And from there, try to make more or less sense. A question I have, is whether there can be a dissonance between the cognitive processing of the human and what’s emerging in the body and be operating in two different systems simultaneously. If yes, I wonder if that needs to be integrated inside the self to adapt.

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Observation: In times of unprecedented uncertainty about health, safety, and economics, it’s even more challenging than usual for organizational leaders to openly lead with grounded curiosity. This requires vulnerability and courage — and it relinquishes the ability to grant teams certainty. In professions that value being an “expert” at the expense of the learner’s mindset, this is a formidable task.

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Question: what are examples from the pandemic in the complex versus chaotic boxes and what makes them different?

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I’m curious about the obvious vs. complex as the ‘true psychologically safe zone’. I heard in our breakout that ‘obvious’ was the safe zone that we crave. Is that really true? Zafer said that nature and people naturally gather around the complex and I wonder if the resistance and instability comes from our leadership/training/containers pushing us from choatic to obvious rather than enabling us to handle the complex.

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Asymptomatic spreading - can this be modelled? Chaos?

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Question: How does the Complexity Thinking model overlay with the various models of adult ego development / stages? There is a need both to lead with complex thinking and also to meet people where they are.

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Personal insight: Many think the responses around medical supply access and distribution are in complicated domain when there are many factors that are deeply underestimated in their complexity.

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This has given me the opportunity to see we are experiencing the full framework depending of our awareness and how much we are aware of our unconscious patterns.

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Insight: COVID brings us into the chaotic mode. In Chaotic being able to survive and having the basics covered could actually be considered success.

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what are the humanities or human capacities do we need to develop in different situations? it is always gene in the environment. :)

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Insight: Lots of examples of how the sense-making about this situation has been misaligned with the context and how this has generated chaos.

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How do we help our colleagues build the capacity to respond to complexity?

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Question: Isn’t it human nature that even in chaotic we make it somehow move to obvious (to have some regularity, simplicity, processes)?!

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i would suggest that it is COVID that is the Chaos but the repsosibile parties that create the crisis a/ chos and that creates the disorder we expericne

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Insight: In “Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance,” Tomas Pueyo suggests that we’ve first locked down and what’s next is a dance where we put certain people back to work, test, see what happens. This proposal is a fine example of Probe, Sense, Respond.

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How do we ensure that as things start to open up we stay awake and don't allow homeostasis call us back to what we have always done \/

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Not COVID that is chaos

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I think its a mistake to lump all things about medical aspects of the virus into complicated space exclusively. There are things about the virus that are complex, and we make mistakes to respond to it with complicated solutions.

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I need to drop - thank you so much for hosting us Amy, and thank you Zafer & Jennifer for leading us on this path. I look forward to watching the 2nd part in the recording

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Is it that Covid is chaotic or the way our governments have handled it has turned it to chaos.?

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+1 Sandra - the signals of what is working in defining medical solutions and learning simultaneously feels beyond complicated.

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@ gila i tend to agree with you… COVID is just an organism trying o survive … from one perspective

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One add: we in the U.S. have yet to consider from a mature perspective the unintended consequences of massive unemployment, which could even be measured in medical and health terms—depression, suicide, domestic violent, death, etc. Our dear president in the U.S. has referenced some of these but have we discussed at a mature level? hmmm…

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There is much stress created in life and death situations and complexity Leaders need to get support for their own adrenaline and anxiety in order to stay grounded and make decisions that are in the best interest of others

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so true

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Can we get link of quote please?

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Have you seen any political leader grow beyond his or her former self?

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Thank you very much for this gathering - what a delight to be connected with so many highly intelligent and kind human beings. May you all be happy!

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Vlad, I don’t know but by some accounts Angela Merkel has found a moment that calls forth her strengths—scientific mindset, calm, caution with a new twist of compassion

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Many people claim the NZ Prime Minister has grown, if not beyond herself, at least to the very high bar she has already set

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The prime minister in Denmark, Mette Frederiksen, has grown in such a beautiful way...

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@Vlad Leo Varadkar (PM of Ireland) is manifesting great leadership growth of late

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IMHO

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Yes, Vlad!! The DF party almost disappeared due to the ways she has developed...

01:31:51
My kids

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children

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My children

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my kids

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children

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Dave Snowden

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I learned from the best: first one was Zafer Achi!

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My coach

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My teachers.

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Yes ! Children!

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People who are themselves grounded and authentically curious.

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zafer

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someone who wants to challenge my thinking

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poets

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Often it’s artists.

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Stephen Buhner and the horses I work with.

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several people, my mentor, my colleagues my son

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my nephews

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outsiders

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Now my daughter, my teachers

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Life itself (seldom humans)

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artist

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agree, kids whose minds aren't limited by all the things we gather as we 'grow up'

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my therapist

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someone I do not know

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Friends from different fields / areas of work vs me

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strangers

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Outliers, artists

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my Zen master

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my inquisitive friend that challenges me to see more than what my old habits guides me

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implicitly, communities I don’t have frequent interaction with

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awkward people

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my clients

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Srini Pillay and sometimes myself!

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Peter Lang, Karl Tomm, my former boss and good collegagues

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lately I have developed an obsession with tracking the number of deaths in Tucson. So now I question what's up with that?

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Does this situation remind me in any way of another time

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What don’t we/I know?

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where do you recognize this feeling from?

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What might I be missing?

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How might you be wrong?

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What else might be happening here, that I don't see or haven't considered?

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What’s available here?

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What am I not seeing?

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What are you feeling in your body?

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How should I think about x?

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What else?

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What can I control?

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How does X serve or benefit us?

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What are others seeing/noticing?

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Whose perspective are we forgetting to include?

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What else?

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What else is possible?

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what can I not understand with my mind here

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What does this mean?

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how do you know for it to be true?

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What elements of this situation have I encountered in the past?

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What is surprising you?

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What part of me is rejecting this experience?

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some variation of- why does that matter to you?

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What are the possibilities?

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What is the adjacent possible?

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What if my assumptions are wrong

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What does silence say.

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Whats happening to me?

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What can’t I see going on here?

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could the opposite be true?

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What is a fact?

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What if this wasn’t happening to you, but for you

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Do I have to be attached to the outcome?

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what are you seeing that i am not

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“What if I’m wrong?”, which I learned from Carolyn Coughlin, is pretty darned useful

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How can this event become the best thing that happened to me?

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How can I reinvent myself during this time based on the new trends emerging? (relevance)

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Who else might offer another perspective?

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I first attune … then … what’s wanting to happen right now?

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What’s surprising?

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What is the real problem we are trying to solve?

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what has energy

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What other possibilities are here that can bring new creations? What other story can I come up with?

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How much are my fears and wishes reflected in my perspectives?

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How to be comfortable with unknown

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Is it solvable?

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what is my blind spot? How am I limiting my thinking?

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Can you think of 10 positive things about this situation

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WHats a different set of people to talk to than the usual?

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how does this look to people in a very different viewpoint

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How might we… ?

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your grandmother, neighbor, colleague, etc. what think of this situation

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What would happen if you did the opposite?

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If we do X, what else might happen than what we intended?

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What would have to be known to make this decision?

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is this your emotion or some else’s emotion?

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What important values should guide you in this situation?

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What are you seeing? Experiencing?

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when do you feel most excited?

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Are we able to wait in the uncertainty?

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What seeks expression in me now?

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Do you want to Look?

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MINDTRAPS!

01:36:50
it's NOT simple stupid ;oi)

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What would you like to be remembered for, after you dealt with this ambiguity?

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maybe we are all wrong

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Anyone here familiar with the horizontal system, the Enneagram? It suggests there are nine patterned defaults for dealing with complexity and nine paths of growth. Different strokes for different folks.

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My question is “ Is there a ‘right’ perspective?”

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I find myself refusing to look at the extreme downsides

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seeing more holistically

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I would move out of denial and consider all scenarios … including "worst case" … and plan accordingly

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I could relate more to the scared part under that perspective

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What I might lose looms too large

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I find I have less patience for so perspectives I just want to get it done

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when everyone brings in their perspective not too emotional it is fine to life with opposing truth. If they bring in a high charge to convince me I go to the other pol

01:41:27
moving country - diving into the unknown :-) when we could help to change where we are

01:41:34
when taking another point of view, the rate of change slows down to reaction. The space expands in the 'bardo'

01:41:53
I just learned that my dear friend of over 30 years, a smart and competent woman that I adore, is a Trump supporter and believed COVID was a hoax early on.

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What about perspectives we despise of?

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I wish to contribute to make the world better... no matter what...

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I avoid thinking about those in real poverty, whether here in NYC or favelas in Brasil or slums in Indian cities, etc.

01:43:35
I protect myself from views I see as conspiracy theory

01:43:42
that is very sweet

01:43:47
I cannot find compassion or understanding for our leadership’s inability to get us testing

01:43:55
Want to be sure everyone knows that the Mobius Cares portion of our website has last week’s webinar from Mobius Senior Expert Terry Real, relationship therapist, on marital conflict during Covid.

01:44:56
Holding a perspective is not taking on a perspective = opposable mind

01:45:19
Those perspectives that exist in the system that are unnamed. Sounds like “timespirits” (Arnie Mindell)

01:45:58
thank you all :-)

01:46:19
art

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Peacock feathers

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calm and storms

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A tropical storm above new zealand

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weather forecast

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artist rendering of a hurricane

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weather map

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parrot

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australia

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Movement and stability

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I don't want to be in a boat between NY and Tonga!

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NZ and Oz

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Ocean currents off Australia?

01:46:38
weather

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peacock

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a person with their mouth open on the left

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Peacock feathers

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tropical storm north of NZ

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music

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I see a bull (on the left)

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the interactive flow of weather

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A story

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Eyes of a bird?

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There's no weather over land

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How the land pauses the green movement

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Concentrated at nexus of storms

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the turnings around the eyes

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centre

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There is an eye

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Center points, ripples

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Currents - there are competing systems

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one feeds into another

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there are areas untouched

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you can only see this from above

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Can be both

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Looks like Vincent Van Gogh

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It evokes movement

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inside this i would not know

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Centre is still

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Push and pull

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the eyes ar

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The eye has a spiral of centripetal force

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Yes of the hurricane is in the negative space

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are attractors

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There are current between the eyes and they have to choose which they will align with.

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There are clear patterns to how the swirls form.

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the eye is still

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Energy is drawn to the eyes

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the eyes are opposable

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There is a pull into the eye

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It turns clock-wise

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The eyes are like attractors

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stillness & movement the paradox

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If ‘what I see is all there is’ Then how do I see something different? What is needed to take a different perspective? What if it is not a human perspective? But instead a plant, insect or animal perspective?

01:49:35
Everything is connected - Biomimicry

01:51:27
Our brains are fit for foraging in the African savannah. Beyond that, too much.

01:52:12
What are some of the forces that amplify or dampen aspects of your challenge?

01:52:13
kids without summer jub

01:52:19
travel ban, loss of work

01:52:19
habits of behavior

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fear, volatility, capitalism

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Fear and anxiety and need to control

01:52:25
fear

01:52:25
daughter in nyc

01:52:32
government intervening with personal preferences

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no control over financial flows

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epigenetics

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my discomfort to set to the unknown to see the larger picture

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financial crisis

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Where is home?

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Paying attention to my weaknesses as they get amplified!

01:52:41
the fact one can not plan - the unknown

01:52:41
lizard brain fears around scarcity 🧠 🦎

01:52:44
uncertainty in system that we are moving into (college decision making process)

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history and old baggage

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A resistance to resilience (here I’m talking about my 6 year old, who is fighting for normalcy by resisting the challenge to build capacity and resilience with unsatisfying distance learning)

01:52:52
defensiveness

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economic pressures/desperation at large

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The economy, political situations that make business recovery difficult.

01:52:56
spiritual emergence

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work does not seem to matter

01:52:58
the notion of opportunity and the possibility to contribute fuel(s) my system every day

01:52:59
I have to go to another meeting sadly. Thank you Zafer, Jennifer, Amy and all. Stay safe and well.

01:53:00
polarisation

01:53:03
Lack of leadership

01:53:04
triggers from the past

01:53:05
sadness, uncertainty, loss

01:53:16
reading the news amplifies my anxiety. Getting outside amplifies my sense of well being

01:53:20
no idea when I can see my daughter again

01:53:23
people sick

01:53:24
inability to connect the same way

01:53:31
inherited grief response

01:53:33
continuum of trust

01:53:37
Tuning into blooming flowers and gorgeous clouds helps me recharge and find resources of new perspectives on what’s happening in society

01:53:51
happy earth day

01:54:00
Focusing on what I CAN do - what I can influence dampens

01:54:02
separation of cause and effect in distance and time amplifies impact - noticeable when in a lockdown - for instance as you respond to need for new approaches, foundations / attractors established or not amplifies the problem or accelerates the impact of reactions

01:54:26
I can have more patience for the process when I know the systems are global and also in relationship to nature, to let matters unfold with trust and learn what is within my ability to control and to choose to do and be

01:54:34
these tools are really helpful - thank you!

01:54:40
Thank you Zafer and Jennifer!!! and Amy and everyone. A nice energy boost in my day

01:54:42
Physical touch from fewer people

01:54:43
Possibility that we will be more connected and caring of humanity, but fearing the economic fallout will create greater chasms

01:56:06
consider polarity - it can be devastating AND beautiful...

01:56:10
Yes, Mike, can we allow ourselves to see beauty in the virus?

01:56:13
Great reminder — to go up and the system because unexpected chaos can throw me into inner —stuck place

01:56:15
Can you ever step out of a system? When you do so you create a fixed view that doesn’t really exist. It is just like a photograph. Then I interpret the photo but I am never actually outside that system. Is that not an illusion?

01:56:33
I think you can know it’s a hurricane AND find it beautiful

01:56:39
thanks for picking this up - there might be beautifulness in everything how awful they might like

01:56:50
What if kindness or mercy or empathy were as contagious as Covid-19?

01:57:29
I love that…”our inter-relatedness is more important than any one person”

01:57:47
Our conditioning to what is beauty has been filtered through a narrower lens of what “is”

01:57:47
literally

01:58:12
I've found it super useful to ponder "what else could be happening here, on a broader level that I cant see?" It draws out that even higher balcony view.

01:58:19
Ten times more microbes than cells in our body. So we are contained within the biome and virome systems.

01:58:39
Awe is a very productive systems feeling - even though COVID brings so many problems to us, you can also see it with awe - that it has incredibly changed SO many things (and potentially changed so many things) in one fell swoop - because of our inconnectivity!

01:59:35
Double loop check in

01:59:38
or

01:59:42
Complexity check in

02:04:09
Does each person answer all of the 3 questions or just who wants to jump in?

02:04:17
Just who wants to jump in

02:04:44
Thanks for clarifying Jennifer

02:04:51
Can I have the slide again?

02:05:11
What is it that I am most curious about after this conversation?

02:05:12
First round: answer question: What is it I am most curious about after this set of ideas and conversations?

02:05:29
Second round: What are the patterns? What are the outliers? What are the things that are not said, the absences?

02:05:32
Thank you Zafer and Jennifer. apologies as I need to step out now.

02:06:11
ank you so much. delighted to meet you Zafer. good to see you Jennifer i need to go

02:16:59
we didn't get to the double part of the loop!

02:17:45
HEADY SHIT … BUT COOL

02:17:46
we are all anxious about the new world coming, which we do not understand

02:17:48
We did have adequate time to go through the process.

02:17:56
Great experience. Very explorative.

02:17:56
Really important to read from the notes and not narrate- takes too long toherwise

02:17:59
Discovered how important it is to do the writing and read what you wrote

02:18:09
we did full loop and it was really great - patterns and especially the unsaid was very powerful

02:18:13
So as to not “build on” each other

02:18:20
we found what was absent for us was fear, we shared curiosity and wanting to learn

02:18:24
fahad, such a pleasing color scheme you have goin on ☀️

02:18:27
uncertainty - leadership - continuous learning

02:18:49
struggled to just listen in round 1

02:19:06
It was fun to look for outliers! And put us in more mysterious space to look for the unsaid

02:19:12
Leadership and uncertainty

02:19:25
IN round 1 you have a choice of listening with intent (trying to make sense) or listening withotu intent (being open)

02:19:30
fear

02:19:30
We did less than one round. Luckily this experiment was safe to fail!

02:19:30
What is missing: the role of intuition in seeing/feeling systems?

02:19:33
there is a need for a more omnidisciplinary education system that allows the organic humans to be part of the systems rather than observers of them, we are viruses to larger organic systems of the planet

02:19:46
Thanks everyone!!! Stay safe. Sat well.

02:19:50
we did not say the uncertain, vulnerability and fear but had as patterns wanting to jump to action/being in control

02:19:57
thank you for this experience!

02:20:15
Thanks everyone

02:20:16
Thanks Zafer & Jennifer! This was fun.

02:20:34
Thank you everyone. This was the highlight of my day.

02:20:45
Thank you!!! Greetings from Denmark

02:20:52
thanks all. was facinating

02:20:53
Thanks everyone. See /feel something new today!

02:20:54
Thank you Zafer and Jennifer for guiding the conversation and to the community for engaging in the dialogue.

02:20:59
Thanks very much - terrific and inspiring

02:21:00
Lovely to meet and re-meet all of you!

02:21:02
thanks to all. loved seeing and hearing you

02:21:05
Thank you Zafer & Jennifer, and the breakout room buddies :)

02:21:07
Thanks a lot. Super interesting and engaging!

02:21:16
brilliant community, seamlessly facilitated, eminently and imminently helpful

02:21:28
🙏🏼 thank you Zafer, Jennifer, Amy, community!

02:21:29
Thank you all - intriguing and a wonderful opportunity to apply these tools.

02:21:36
A wonderful learning experience. Thank you

02:21:37
love the co-hosting and break out concepts - really well done

02:21:37
Thank you Zafer and Jennifer and Amy.

02:21:41
Zafer, Jennifer and Amy…thank you so very much. The connection with this community is such a gift to all of us. Nothing else like it!!

02:21:42
Thanks, Zafer & Jennifer. Wonderful offering!

02:21:44
Thank you Zafer for this mind opening inspiring presentation. Thank you Amy and Mobius for this beautiful generous event.

02:21:45
Thanks Zafer & Jennifer, and of course Amy and the gang at Mobius. Fantastic. Tools for our times

02:21:50
Thank you all so much each help me today just be such wonderful sharing.

02:22:03
thank you for such a rich conversation

02:22:36
thank you everyone

02:22:37
Thank you dear friends. 🙏🏻

02:22:44
very nice to take a step back

02:22:48
Wonderful. Thank you all.

02:23:18
Ya’ll come back now, you hear! (Southern experience evoked)

02:24:45
Thank you - I bow to all of you in gratitude

02:24:45
🙏🏻

02:24:46
Many thanks to all

02:24:54
many thanks

02:24:57
Thank you!!!

02:25:01
Amy….please share the quote too…typing through my tears.

02:25:02
thank you so very much

02:25:03
Super!

02:25:04
Thank you so much to all your contribution.